@ Korguz On the desktop that is true. But Sunny Cove has taken back the IPC lead in mobile. According to AMD Renoir beats Ice Lake by 4% in a single threaded workload but its 4.2GHz vs 3.9GHz. So Ice Lake has a small IPC advantage. However, by the time Sunny Cove comes to the desktop AMD should be able to retake the IPC lead with Zen 3.
i bet sonny cove only has the lead still because of the clock speed... what happens when you clock both cpus at the same clock speed ?? intel vs Zen 2 based cores....
Ryzen 7 4800U has a single core turbo of 4.2 GHz versus 3.9 GHz for Ice Lake Core i7-1065G7. That's a 7.7% advantage for AMD. Yet AMD claims to have a single core performance advantage of only 4%, so Ice Lake has slightly higher IPC.
Actually, in the mobile segment, Intel has lower clocks than AMD, their high end is capped/throttled at 4Ghz while they are advertising 4.5Ghz, its all over the place in Tomshawrdware forums. If AMD manages to boost to 4.2Ghz, they will beat Intel by a good margin in both ST and MT.
"4 fast cores > 16 shitty cores" Except you're not getting 16 shitty cores, you're getting 8 cores that are comparable in ST performance to the 4 cores Intel is offering. Derp.
"Citation needed" You first, pal. AMD's graphs have been pretty solid lately; Intel's... not so much. You're giving out what *could* be solid reasons to ignore the AMD results, if true, but they could just as easily not be true. You have no more idea than the rest of us, but you made your mind up already. Cute!
"Yeah but then you have to install fucking radeon drivers" LOL. Ever used Intel iGPU drivers before? This old "AMD drivers suck" rhetoric is old and has no basis in truth, and using it in comparison with Intel is downright hilarious.
If you search for driver issues, you'll find lots of people with driver issues. Who'd have thought?
AMD's drivers aren't significantly more or less buggy than Nvidia's - they tnd to circle each other in terms of who currently has the most irritating bugs.
Intel's drivers are a whoooole other story, which is why it was hilarious that this troll was trying to make that argument.
people keep saying amds drivers suck.. or nvidias suck.. but i have used both with no issues.. i bet if you did the same for nvidia.. you would find the same...
vladx knows the game they're playing. If you Google "AMD driver issues", you'll get more results than for "Nvidia driver issues" by a factor of about 3:2. One could naively assume that means AMD's drivers are worse and be done.
Google an outright derogatory line like "AMD drivers suck", though, and you'll get ~3 million results - while "Nvidia drivers suck" only gets ~700,000. Very few people with actual problems will state them in that way, so this likely reflects the vocal fanboy contingent - it also looks like their market share turned inside-out.
"Motivated individuals" who exclusively buy Nvidia have been spamming about AMD drivers being terrible for so long that they've generated the illusion of it being true - dupes and shills reinforce it by repeating it ad nauseam.
Having used both vendors for decades, I'll happily state that both have issues and both are fine 99% of the time. Neither are anywhere near as bad as Intel, which was the whole damn point of this topic offshoot in the first place.
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Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
TIMECOP CANNOT READ.STOP MAKING FUN.
SolarBear28 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
@ Korguz On the desktop that is true. But Sunny Cove has taken back the IPC lead in mobile. According to AMD Renoir beats Ice Lake by 4% in a single threaded workload but its 4.2GHz vs 3.9GHz. So Ice Lake has a small IPC advantage. However, by the time Sunny Cove comes to the desktop AMD should be able to retake the IPC lead with Zen 3.Korguz - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
i bet sonny cove only has the lead still because of the clock speed... what happens when you clock both cpus at the same clock speed ?? intel vs Zen 2 based cores....SolarBear28 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Ryzen 7 4800U has a single core turbo of 4.2 GHz versus 3.9 GHz for Ice Lake Core i7-1065G7. That's a 7.7% advantage for AMD. Yet AMD claims to have a single core performance advantage of only 4%, so Ice Lake has slightly higher IPC.Zizo007 - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
Actually, in the mobile segment, Intel has lower clocks than AMD, their high end is capped/throttled at 4Ghz while they are advertising 4.5Ghz, its all over the place in Tomshawrdware forums.If AMD manages to boost to 4.2Ghz, they will beat Intel by a good margin in both ST and MT.
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
"4 fast cores > 16 shitty cores"Except you're not getting 16 shitty cores, you're getting 8 cores that are comparable in ST performance to the 4 cores Intel is offering. Derp.
"Citation needed"
You first, pal. AMD's graphs have been pretty solid lately; Intel's... not so much. You're giving out what *could* be solid reasons to ignore the AMD results, if true, but they could just as easily not be true. You have no more idea than the rest of us, but you made your mind up already. Cute!
"Yeah but then you have to install fucking radeon drivers"
LOL. Ever used Intel iGPU drivers before? This old "AMD drivers suck" rhetoric is old and has no basis in truth, and using it in comparison with Intel is downright hilarious.
vladx - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
"AMD drivers suck" holds true more than ever, just search the web for Radeon 5700/5700 XT drivers issues and you'll get hundreds of topics on it.Spunjji - Thursday, January 9, 2020 - link
If you search for driver issues, you'll find lots of people with driver issues. Who'd have thought?AMD's drivers aren't significantly more or less buggy than Nvidia's - they tnd to circle each other in terms of who currently has the most irritating bugs.
Intel's drivers are a whoooole other story, which is why it was hilarious that this troll was trying to make that argument.
Korguz - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
vladx then write your own drivers..people keep saying amds drivers suck.. or nvidias suck.. but i have used both with no issues.. i bet if you did the same for nvidia.. you would find the same...
Spunjji - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
vladx knows the game they're playing. If you Google "AMD driver issues", you'll get more results than for "Nvidia driver issues" by a factor of about 3:2. One could naively assume that means AMD's drivers are worse and be done.Google an outright derogatory line like "AMD drivers suck", though, and you'll get ~3 million results - while "Nvidia drivers suck" only gets ~700,000. Very few people with actual problems will state them in that way, so this likely reflects the vocal fanboy contingent - it also looks like their market share turned inside-out.
"Motivated individuals" who exclusively buy Nvidia have been spamming about AMD drivers being terrible for so long that they've generated the illusion of it being true - dupes and shills reinforce it by repeating it ad nauseam.
Having used both vendors for decades, I'll happily state that both have issues and both are fine 99% of the time. Neither are anywhere near as bad as Intel, which was the whole damn point of this topic offshoot in the first place.