Looking forward to the first reviews! I am especially curious about head-to-head comparisons of the 45 W 6C/12T i7 and the 8C/16T Ryzen parts; AMD went for more cores, but less cache (Intel's i7 have 12Mb). Let the battle begin. Hope to see a bit of a price war here soon, as I am due for a new laptop.
Depends on whether you're after CPU or GPU performance.
CPU performance should be a rout, but between the reduced CU count for the Vega GPU and the inability to use LPDDR4X on desktop, I think the GPU side of things might be closer than you might think.
I don't think there will be desktop APU's anytime soon. The product stack doesnt leave an area where the APU will make alot of money. Unless an 8C $200+. 7nm's getting cheaper but its still expensive
It would be odd for them not to. They have had trouble competing in the business desktop space due to their lack of an IGP in the standard Ryzen chips, and these chips can address that market very well indeed.
Consumers served by the existing 3000 series Ryzen CPUs as well as a few low-end 4000 series APUs (up to 4c/8t, maybe 6c/6t).
Pro series gets all the same, plus the high-end APUs (up to 8c/16t). Or decide that the APU graphics will never be enough for serious use, and have the higher end models include a basic 2 CU iGPU for 2D duties only.
I don't think the 6 and 8 core APUs would ever be as inexpensive as the current ones. Once a consumer is looking at spending $300+ on an APU, they probably wouldn't be satisfied with the iGPU performance.
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eastcoast_pete - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Looking forward to the first reviews! I am especially curious about head-to-head comparisons of the 45 W 6C/12T i7 and the 8C/16T Ryzen parts; AMD went for more cores, but less cache (Intel's i7 have 12Mb). Let the battle begin. Hope to see a bit of a price war here soon, as I am due for a new laptop.isthisavailable - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
rip Ice Lake 2019end - 2020startSilma - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Priced similarly to Intel does not cut it.AMD should either undercut its rival significantly or offer significantly higher performances.
Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
"Priced similarly to Intel does not cut it." - When it's beating it soundly, yes it does.You go buy your Penitum 6, nobody will care. This is the highest-end laptop chip.
You want the shiny, you pay the shiny. (It's STILL less than Intel's gouging)
GeoffreyA - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Wonder what the desktop APUs will be like. Darn, and I just got a 2200G a few months ago. Oh, well :)Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Depends on whether you're after CPU or GPU performance.CPU performance should be a rout, but between the reduced CU count for the Vega GPU and the inability to use LPDDR4X on desktop, I think the GPU side of things might be closer than you might think.
Fataliity - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
I don't think there will be desktop APU's anytime soon. The product stack doesnt leave an area where the APU will make alot of money. Unless an 8C $200+.7nm's getting cheaper but its still expensive
Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
APU isn't about making money on the high-end. You are misconceiving something.Spunjji - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
It would be odd for them not to. They have had trouble competing in the business desktop space due to their lack of an IGP in the standard Ryzen chips, and these chips can address that market very well indeed.Hul8 - Thursday, January 9, 2020 - link
Well then the solution would be:Consumers served by the existing 3000 series Ryzen CPUs as well as a few low-end 4000 series APUs (up to 4c/8t, maybe 6c/6t).
Pro series gets all the same, plus the high-end APUs (up to 8c/16t). Or decide that the APU graphics will never be enough for serious use, and have the higher end models include a basic 2 CU iGPU for 2D duties only.
I don't think the 6 and 8 core APUs would ever be as inexpensive as the current ones. Once a consumer is looking at spending $300+ on an APU, they probably wouldn't be satisfied with the iGPU performance.