09:04PM EDT - Final talk of the day is Xbox Series X System Architecture!

09:05PM EDT - Azure Silicon Architecture Team

09:06PM EDT - 3.8 GHz Zen2 Server cores

09:06PM EDT - DXR, VRS, Machine LEarning Acceleration

09:07PM EDT - 14 Gbps GDDR6, 320-bit = 560 GB/s

09:07PM EDT - Hardware accelerators in blue

09:07PM EDT - 120 Hz support, VRR, Xbox Velocity Architecture for MSP Crypto/Decomp on NVMe SSD

09:07PM EDT - Acoustic acceleration

09:07PM EDT - HSP/Pluton RoT - security

09:08PM EDT - 360.4mm2 TSMC N7 enhanced

09:08PM EDT - 15.3B transistors

09:08PM EDT - 2 four core CPU clusters

09:08PM EDT - 10 GDDR6 controllers

09:09PM EDT - GPU 12 FLOPs

09:10PM EDT - AVX256 gives 972 GFLOP over CPU

09:10PM EDT - 16 GB of GDDR6 total

09:11PM EDT - >Says Zen2 server class, but L3 cache is mobile class?

09:11PM EDT - Display processing is kept off the shader engines

09:11PM EDT - IO hub supports PCIe 4.0 x8

09:11PM EDT - Operates on linear light values, not gamma light values

09:12PM EDT - ALLM - Auto Low Latency Mode

09:13PM EDT - Increased die cost on this APU over previous generation

09:13PM EDT - Significantly more expensive!

09:13PM EDT - Trade off

09:13PM EDT - MS created Audio engines - 3 engines, CFPU2, MOVAD, LOGAN

09:13PM EDT - CFPU2 for audio convolution, FFT, reverb

09:14PM EDT - such as Project Acoustics to model 3D audio sources

09:14PM EDT - MOVAD - hyper real-time hardware audio decoder

09:14PM EDT - >300x channels decode at once

09:14PM EDT - best trade off codec, so made in hardware

09:15PM EDT - >100dB signal noise ratio

09:15PM EDT - HW realtime real-time matched to decode based on sampling

09:15PM EDT - Logan is offering also better offload in traditional modes

09:15PM EDT - HSP/Pluton: Root of trust, crypto, SHACK (crypto keys)

09:15PM EDT - MSP supports 5 GB/s high-bw crypto on the SSD

09:16PM EDT - DRAM to SSD balance needed for refill

09:16PM EDT - Load times are always increasing unless SW-to-DRAM bw increases, hence NVMe SSDs

09:17PM EDT - Sampler Feedback System

09:17PM EDT - New metadata for texture portions to pre-load texture caches

09:17PM EDT - Direct Storage

09:17PM EDT - Manages data locations ahead of developer

09:18PM EDT - Distinct savings for most detail texture maps savings

09:18PM EDT - Lossless MS XVA 2:1 compression

09:19PM EDT - Need big GPU - get the tech out of the way

09:19PM EDT - Need raw ops/second increase within PPA and cost

09:19PM EDT - 12.2 supported in HW

09:19PM EDT - 26 active dual CUs (52 CUs)

09:20PM EDT - single geometry supports primatives

09:20PM EDT - DIrectly snoop CPU caches

09:20PM EDT - Dual stream multi-core command processor

09:20PM EDT - Double rate 16-bit math

09:20PM EDT - single cycle issue rate to reduce stalls

09:21PM EDT - CUs have 25% better perf/clock compared to last gen

09:21PM EDT - GPU Evolution: FLOPS have outpaced mem space and BW

09:21PM EDT - Screen pixels has increased in th emiddle

09:22PM EDT - How to fill pixels better without blowing power budget

09:22PM EDT - VRS

09:22PM EDT - supports up to 2x2

09:22PM EDT - 10-30% perf gain for tiny area cost

09:23PM EDT - Full edge detail

09:23PM EDT - SFS

09:24PM EDT - Previously very slow to enable

09:24PM EDT - Two new HW structures for tile-by-tile management for in-DRAM textures

09:25PM EDT - clamps LOD

09:26PM EDT - Tilemaps should stay on die for best latency

09:27PM EDT - SFS: 60% IO/Mem savings for small die area cost

09:27PM EDT - DX Ray Tracing Accel

09:27PM EDT - Not a complete replacement - RT can be applied selectively based on traditional models

09:28PM EDT - Custom ray-triangle units

09:28PM EDT - ML inference

09:29PM EDT - Two virtualized command streams - two VMs

09:29PM EDT - Main title OS vs system OS

09:29PM EDT - 32b HDR rendering, blending display

09:29PM EDT - Optimized games. Unable to show at the event

09:30PM EDT - Q&A Time

09:31PM EDT - Q: TDP? A: Not commenting. There's so many things that are involved in the TDP, and tradeoffs. We're not really able to descibe it without describing it in a technical environemtn

09:32PM EDT - Q: Can you stream into the GPU cache? A: Lots of programmable cache modes. Streaming modes, bypass modes, coherence modes.

09:33PM EDT - Q: Coherency CPU and GPU? A: GPU can snoop CPU, reverse requires software

09:35PM EDT - Q: Are you happy as DX12 as a low hardware API? A: DX12 is very versatile - we have some Xbox specific enhancements that power developers can use. But we try to have consistency between Xbox and PC. Divergence isn't that good. But we work with developers when designing these chips so that their needs are met. Not heard many complains so far (as a silicon person!). We have a SMASH driver model. The games on the binaries implement the hardware layed out data that the GPU eats directly - it's not a HAL layer abstraction. MS also re-writes the driver and smashes it together, we replace that and the firmware in the GPU. It's significantly more efficient than the PC.

09:35PM EDT - Q: Is link between CPU and GPU clocks? A: Hardware is independent.

09:36PM EDT - Q: Is the CPU 3.8 GHz clock a continual or turbo? A: Continual.

09:36PM EDT - Continual to minimize variance

09:37PM EDT - Q: TSMC 7nm enhanced, is it N7P, N7+, or something else? A: It's not base 7nm, it's progressed over time. Lots of work between AMD and TSMC to hit our targets and what we needed

09:38PM EDT - Q: Says Zen 2 is server class, but you use L3 mobile class? A: Yeah our caches are different, but I won't say any more, that's more AMD.

09:39PM EDT - Q: With 20 channels GDDR6, is that really cheaper than 2 stacks HBM? A: We're not religious about which DRAM tech to use. We needed the GPU to have a ton of bandwidth. Lots of channels allows for low latency requests to be serviced. HBM did have an MLC model thought about, but people voted with their feet and JEDEC decided not to go with it.

09:40PM EDT - Q: GDDR6 on sides, not bottom? A: bottom is power, how board interfaces with the chip. GPU has high EDC and currents, and you need clean copper to deliver that. With that much current you need to leave that space unless you use super expensive packaging. We did it the cost efficient way

09:41PM EDT - Q: Why do you need so much math for audio processing? A: 3D positional audio and spatial audio and real world spaces if you 300-400 audio sounds positional in 3D and want to start doing other effects on all samples, it gets very heavy compute. Imagine 20 people fighting in a cave and reflections with all sorts of noises

09:43PM EDT - That's a wrap and we're done for today. Come back tomorrow at 8:30am PT to talk about FPGAs. It's 2:44am here in the UK, time to go to bed.

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  • eastcoast_pete - Monday, August 17, 2020 - link

    Question: how does the audio processing compare to, let's say, that of a decent audio codec like a 1220?
  • dersteffeneilers - Thursday, August 20, 2020 - link

    I think Discord uses Opus, so like that probably
  • Crazyeyeskillah - Monday, August 17, 2020 - link

    Interesting dialog about the audio pipelines and how much power is really needed. It adds up REAL FAST if you're going to actually source everything in a scene. Image standing in a bustling city square, dozens of npc's footsteps, conversations, sound sources, all being fed in a 3d positional system. 300-400 almost seems like quite a small number when you factor in the thousands that should be present and accounted for in a real environment. At least we're in the right direction!
  • Cheesecake16 - Monday, August 17, 2020 - link

    Sorry Ian, I tried to get an answer about the Xbox Series X's GPU TDP because if the TDP is the same as the Xbox One's GPU (120W at worse) then AMD has a monster of a GPU on their hands.
  • Ian Cutress - Monday, August 17, 2020 - link

    The problem when asking for GPU TDP is that it's monolithic. I guess if you'd said 'SoC' level 'average' power you might have got more of an answer. I think his answer about 'TDP is different based on workload' was a massive cop-out and someone disingenuous given what the definition of TDP actually is, and that engineers in the room understand nuance around TDP numbers. Moreover, it doesn't have to be a number, it could be a range.

    Perhaps the question should have been - what thermal profile in watts will the cooling for the chip have to manage? or How big will the power brick be? Sometimes asking questions is an art, so the presenter doesn't block themselves into a corner with their own interpretation of what the question is getting at.
  • bill54 - Monday, August 17, 2020 - link

    wtf I can smell the hostility here that you hold towards MS/Xbox. But now I recall you tried to do some similar "gotcha" BS with the Xbox One back then though I dont remember about what.

    If he said "we're not talking about TDP" what's the big deal? at this stage they're not talking about a lot of things, like ya know, the price.

    I dont know why you tried to frame it as a hostile "gotcha" Ian, wanna bet the less powerful PS5 will likely have a higher TDP? Considering they've already been show to have a much larger volume case (PS5 is utterly massive), use some crazy liquid metal cooling system, and all that because they to overclock to over 2.2 ghz to try to catch up to Xbox even a little on the spec sheet and get over double digit TF. Now that's bad engineering.
  • kulareddy - Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - link

    no way, Sony (and also Microsoft) will not use Liquid metal TIM.
  • Eliadbu - Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - link

    to be honest this is just speculations. having more capable cooling solution can go into both ways either dissipating more heat or lowering noise levels. I think after PS4 pro fan noise issues Sony decided to have more capable cooling solution to avoid such scenario. we don't know which console consume more power and we don't know if PS5 has the same GPU architecture as Xbox series x, so keep the criticism after we know all the details.
    and the criticism on Ian was not justified in my opinion, because he has a point the explanation why he won't comment is disingenuous. TDP is well defined so you don't need to take specific environment or other elements. if he would have just commented that he can't give more information right now, no one would have complained.
  • d0x360 - Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - link

    The base ps4 and the pro are louder than my PC, xbox one and xbox one x combined lol. I don't think the ps5 will be much better. They can't use a very large slower spinning fan in that case. I just don't see how it could fit (besides sideways) and I don't see how that would be beneficial (sideways) because the system has to work vertical and horizontal.
  • Eliadbu - Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - link

    There are few possible orientation and sizes. probably the main benefit of having larger volume is having place for larger heat sink which by itself helps enormously with dissipation see for example the 3 slots GPUs they do not usually have better or bigger fans but they do have much larger heat sink which helps with cooling enabling the fans to run significantly lower RPM for the same performance (compared to 2 slots designes) lowering the overall noise produced.

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