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  • mobutu - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    27" TN curved
    what a fail
  • chris.london - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    For $800. What a joke.
  • TheWereCat - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Right? You can get the same 165 screen in AH-IPS flavour for cheaper. Oh no... it's not curved though...what a shame on 27" screen!
  • Alistair - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Curved means will come in a box the size of your desk. Hope you have storage.
  • Lord of the Bored - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    Boxes are for trash cans.
  • Lolimaster - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    IPS is still shit with that pathetic contrast, try to watch any batman movie and prepare to wipe the blood of your eyes with a 900:1 contrast.
  • Beaver M. - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    And on TN? You have to deal with a picture that is cut in half (dark on the top and light on the bottom) and has massive color banding.
  • TheWereCat - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    I watched it and its fine. AH-IPS has a bit better contrast than the usual IPS displays.
  • BurntMyBacon - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    The monitor in the article is specified at the same 1000:1 contrast ratio as the Asus ROG Swift PG279Q. Given the same manufacturer, the same series of displays, and (presumably) the same evaluation method, I can't imagine this monitor would have a significantly improved contrast. Black levels should be better, though. You'll need a VA or OLED display if you want to get significantly better contrast ratios.
  • Beaver M. - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    IF you get one flawless panel among 100. Panel lottery is real for monitors like those.
    ANY gaming 2K panel nowadays is garbage, because they all come from the same manufacturer.
    And even most gaming 1080p panels are garbage as well.
  • qap - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Refresh rate is not the same thing as response time. Competitive gamers require both, so AH-IPS is not a solution for everyone. 165Hz AH-IPS is still inferior in response time to TN panel (it will be around 30ms).
    So no - this panel is no "joke". It is just for a very specific users.
  • TheWereCat - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Check Tomshardware review of ASUS PG279Q (AH-IPS) vs ASUS PG278Q (TN).
    The measured response time between them makes the TN one only 1ms better which makes no difference.
    It is 7ms vs 8ms in Full Black to White response time.
    And also 1ms difference in absolute input lag... 24ms vs 25ms.
  • BurntMyBacon - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    @qap: "165Hz AH-IPS is still inferior in response time to TN panel (it will be around 30ms)."

    Inferior? Yes, ... , to a small extent.
    30ms? You need to reassess the situation.

    Given that this article is about a new Asus ROG monitor, I'm going to use two models in the same series as a comparison. I'll be using tftcentral as a source:

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift...

    Asus ROG Swift PG278Q response time: 2.9ms avg/4.4ms max
    Asus ROG Swift PG279Q response time: 5.0ms avg/6.5ms max

    So AH-IPS is 2.1ms slower to respond than TN in the most equivalent comparison. Of course the article points out that the TN panel had more overshoot to get the faster response. If the AH-IPS was driven to the same overshoot, the difference would be even less. This comparison is very relevant as the monitor in this article is from the same manufacturer, the same series, and uses a panel very similar in specification to the PG278Q only with a curve.

    Putting this all in perspective, the 5ms (avg) response time of the AH-IPS is less than 1 frame given its 165hz refresh rate. The 6.5ms (max) response time is still less than a frame on a 144hz panel. You'll still have to decide whether you want a slightly slower, but cleaner response (less overshoot) and all the other advantages that AH-IPS brings or whether the extra speed (and better black level IIRC) is more meaningful to you.

    Side note: You might also be interested to know that the PG279Q requires less signal processing (due to its AH-IPS panel) and has both lower signal processing lag and overall display lag (3.25ms) vs the PG278Q (4ms):

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift...
  • StrangerGuy - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Shhhh stop with the facts, you are turning the TN defenders into buyer remorse mode.

    Then again, if one still buys that "TN = gaming, IPS = bad in gaming because TN 1ms GTG" in 2017 then they deserve to get ripped off for lack of basic Googling skills.
  • Opencg - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Actaully if you want the facts at 165hz a frame is 6.06ms. So a 2.9ms transition would have 52% of the frame as the right color while the IPS at 5ms would have only 17% of the frame at the right color. Its easy to see why IPS wins in ANY case where reaction time is important.
  • Opencg - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Lol compareing 2.9ms to 5ms. For competitive gaming that TN would smoke the IPS
  • Alistair - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    This is a seriously stupid monitor. Basically they wanted to increase the price on their old crap g-sync TN panel...
  • StevoLincolnite - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    TN.
    Curved.
    RGB.
    27"

    Just a bunch of NOPE NOPE NOPE. Even if it is 165hz.
  • Dug - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Is it April Fools?
    $800 for that ugly thing?
    No thanks.
  • Space Jam - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Does ULMB support >100Hz yet?
  • Beaver M. - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    Has supported 120 Hz for a long time.
  • Palaboy - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Sorry, This is not what we are waiting for asus.also Come on, rgb at the back panel. Who the fuch thought if that sells. Bring out to the public that asus pg35vq already unless you want us to buy acer's z35??
  • Palaboy - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Opps i mean acer z35p
  • Diji1 - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Think you mean the X35 actually ;)

    The Z35 is 100Hz VA whereas the X35 is 200Hz with HDR ... when it arrives.
  • Lord of the Bored - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    RGB on the back panel is dumb. Put it on the front panel where we can SEE it.
  • Hurr Durr - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    I understand gaming use profilke dictates the choice of panel technology and such, but do they rteally have to make it that ugly? I`m sure there must be a nice market for gaming displays that don`t look garish. Razer almost gets it with their laptops, but still they have to put this horrible(lighted!) green logo on them.
  • Makaveli - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    TN = no buy thanks for coming out!
  • jwcalla - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Do these companies have some sort of requirement to make products that nobody wants?
  • madwolfa - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    TN? Curved? Pass.
  • Hxx - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Specs aside what a stupid looking stand and plastered with rgb. Why ASUS why? Why not a nice premium sleek looking stand given then price of this display .
  • HollyDOL - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    RGB? Gods are punishing us...
  • Lolimaster - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    There we go again with the idiotic curved.

    Is is that difficult to simply launch a 28-32" 1440p 144Hz VA monitor?
  • Beaver M. - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    Curved helps a lot with color issues at the sides on TN panels and IPS glow on IPS panels. its just that they simply cant do good panels like that yet. Backlight bleeding on curved displays is far worse than on the already bad normal ones.
  • Beaver M. - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    This market really is a joke. And it probably uses the old AUO panel all the other 2k TN fail monitors use as well.
    Even the Dell one for $600 is a joke and causes eye cancer, and $600 is bad enough. But other TN ones for $800? LOL!
    I wouldnt pay that much for an IPS panel! Yet all you get in the same form, just with an IPS panel, is complete and utter garbage, too. Customers call it the panel lottery, because they need to order and send back dozens of monitors until they get one that doesnt have dead pixels or massive back light bleeding.

    I just tried to buy one of those monitors as well. And sent a few back in anger. Why on earth anyone would pay that much money for such flawed products is beyond me.
    I now have to wait for the next generation of panels, which are slated for mid 2018. And even those have no guarantee that they are better than the current generation (except for more Hz and bit).
    I have a 2012 Dell U2312HM. Its perfect in its own way. No backlight bleeding, IPS glow is minimal, still no dead pixels. Its just a bit too slow and too small nowadays. I just want a 27" 2K version of it which has an average IPS delay nowadays and maybe G-Sync. Why is that so impossible 5 years later???
  • godrilla - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    While consoles are promoting HDR content at 4k PC gaming is stuck at sdr. Even Nvidia doesn't want you to use a gsync monitor well at least when they are promoting HDR PC gaming in current status! Currently you have to choose from ancient non adaptive sync monitor technology but with Hdr displays and or adaptive sync technology and sdr.

    FYI if you haven't figured this product yet it's targeting the RGB lighting niche target audience. You can sell last year's tech at a premium as long as you add RGB.
  • Xinn3r - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    why doesn't nvidia want you to use gsync?
  • masouth - Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - link

    "...stuck at sdr."

    SDR? Standard def is 640x480

    Most PC gaming is being pushed at 1080p which is FHDR

    and nVidia doesn't want you to use G-Sync? How do you figure? If that were true they would have ditched it and jumped on the Freesync bandwagon long ago. Instead they collect practically free money for every G-sync monitor chip sold. G-Sync is the actually superior to Freesync performance wise but that chip cost is just obnoxious compared to free.
  • StrangerGuy - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    The PC monitor industry needs a reality check. There is no way a $800 TN isn't a complete ripoff when I was able to find a 55" 4K TV is $300 on last year black friday. They are just treating us as garbage and expecting us to a pay a premium for that.
  • milkod2001 - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    vote with your wallet then and don't buy this crap.
  • Opencg - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Anyone ripping on this monitor. Its ok. You are too stupid to be the target for this monitor anyway. TNs have far better response time than IPS. And if you think the manufacturers ratings or toms hardware's measurements of response time are a good way to compare then you really dont understand how pixel response works at all. The one ms response quoted by manufactures is always the best case response out of a whole 2D spectrum of response times that vary according to starting and ending magnitude. Having a 4ms average response time vs a 5ms average response time actally represents a huge difference in motion blur at 165hz and in reality this monitor is probably 2 or 3ms faster than the best IPS gaming monitor. For competitive gamers there is really no comparing this to any IPS. And if the colors are as good as on the pg258q then they only really lag behind IPS for professional design work. This monitor is for the big boys who can afford it and are serious about competitive gaming. And with ASUS you often get the best overdrive functionality meaning this will outclass other monitors using the exact same pannel meaning that this will likely be the top dog in the 2k 27" class for at least 2 years.
  • Beaver M. - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Sorry to pop your bubble, but real competitive players play with a 23 or 24 inch and 1080p monitor anyway to be able to see things easier. They dont care about the other features this monitor has.

    And colors are a huge issue on TN panels. Not only if you look at it from the side, but also if you sit in front of it in the best position and never move a tiny bit, you will see darker colors at the top than on the bottom, which is actually a problem in some games.

    So in essence you probably meant "you are too smart/your standards are too high to be the target for this monitor".

    Oh and response time isnt such a big deal. 1 ms, or 4, not a huge difference. I have been gaming with a 8 ms monitor for years and when I got a 1 ms again, I didnt feel that huge of a difference.
    Low input lag is much more important, and low input lag is possible with IPS display as well.

    Now, if we could get much faster technology and remove most of the delay from input until the monitor shows it, then that would be a difference everyone would notice, because even in fast games like CSGO from pressing the button, until your gun fires, it will take 40 to 60 ms. But there is not much difference between IPS and TN panels in that aspect and a faster response time of the display, will of course not change much.

    If you want to get rid of motion blur, you need to use something like ULMB anyway. You wont get rid of it, just by lowering response time or increasing the refresh rate. LCDs are massively limited in that aspect and you wont see much of a difference in an IPS running 144 Hz and an TN running 144, while gaming. But when you use ULMB, you will think you just got a totally different technology, which will have such low motion blur, that you will actually think its annoying, since the delay between the frames will be much easier to see and wont be hidden by motion blur anymore. Thats why you need lots of FPS for ULMB. Even 60 FPS look very jerky on it. 100 FPS is minimum.
  • Opencg - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    Lol you're pretty stupid. That "1ms" you quoted is a best case transition. There isn't an LCD on the market with a true 1ms average response time.

    The difference between the best IPS and ANY of the top TN panels (240hz for 1080p or 165hz for 1440p) is night and day in terms of motion blur. 2ms more average response time at 165hz represents about 1/3 of the whole frame time. That is significantly more motion blur.

    Also anyone who whines about the colors on the new high end TN panels hasn't used one. I'm sorry that you're stuck in the past and can't afford one of these so you rip on them.
  • Beaver M. - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    You can insult me and deflect all you want, but facts are facts.

    It is still mushy motion blur with 240 Hz. Not even comparable to ULMB.

    And I am also sorry to tell you that I have just bought half a dozen "high end" monitors with TN and IPS panels. They are all trash. TN is still the same garbage as 6 years ago, actually gotten worse in some aspects, like color banding and the view angles. And I dont know what they are doing to IPS, but its a lottery to get a panel without ridiculous backlight bleeding.

    You cant project your low standards on others. These monitors (all their panels are the same from AUO) are not worth what they are asking for. Not even close. They are flawed far beyond physical capabilities of LCD. I hope that changes next year with the new generation, because I want a new monitor which wont make me feel completely stupid to have paid $600+ for it.
  • Hurr Durr - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    >LED everywhere
    >big boys

    Indeed!
  • Morawka - Monday, November 20, 2017 - link

    yeah guys hold off another 6 months. Asus is gonna have the new Quantum Dot monitors out that clock in at 200hz and have DCI P3 HDR based on samsung panels.

    It was supposed to launch with these, but word on the street is Nvidia didn't have their Gsync Models supporting that much bandwidth yet.
  • Agent Smith - Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - link

    ...or nVidia is deliberately delaying its next generation gsync for monitors until Volta comes out.

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