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  • Marlin1975 - Wednesday, February 21, 2024 - link

    Seq write/has gotten so fast that most desktop users will never know the difference.

    Need to list the random speed ratings as that has more affect on day to day performance for most.
  • meacupla - Wednesday, February 21, 2024 - link

    the random read is good, but not optane good.
  • AgentAnon - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    You sound like one of those boomers saying you will never need more than 640KB of RAM, and don't realize how wrong you are.

    Seq read/write speeds are what are important, because the size of data in general balloons as computing progresses. A mediocre/decent quality 4K movie (in terms of compression) is ~40GB, a remux is 60-80GB, a TV series in good quality is 100-200GB, AAA games are 100-200GB nowadays, etc.

    If anything random speeds have gotten so fast that most desktop users will never know the difference.
  • Katana1074@hotmail.com - Wednesday, February 28, 2024 - link

    Its a good point though, for an os drive choose optane for movies or game choose the drive with the fastest sequential speed
  • ballsystemlord - Wednesday, February 21, 2024 - link

    I wouldn't call this drive "targeted towards gamers, content creators, and professional users as well as data-heavy AI use-cases," considering it has less than 1/2 the endurance of previous gen drives.

    Take, for example, Corsair's MP510, a PCIe 3.0 drive. Their ~1TB model is rated for 1700TBW and Crucial's is 600TBW. Their ~2TB model is rated at 3120TBW and Crucial's is 1200TBW.
  • isocuda - Saturday, February 24, 2024 - link

    When have you ever exceeded this within the warranty period or product cycle????
  • ballsystemlord - Saturday, February 24, 2024 - link

    I would not. But a creator, professional user, and certainly "data heavy AI" would.
  • web2dot0 - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    Useless tech if it can't be used on a laptop. The power consumption is through the roof.
  • meacupla - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    Oh no, a high end desktop part can't be used in a laptop! The calamity!
    I guess all these 7800X3D, and RTX4090 are useless too.
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    In fairness, there are not many desktop PCs still left in the world so targeting a saturated, shrinking market with storage products that cannot be used in laptops is something that imperils sales. The good news is that the laptop storage market is well-served with existing solutions so its only a problem for the companies selling such limited use case hardware to an ever shrinking market of boomer and aging gen X types that are uncomfortable with a computer you can carry and use on the go. When their eyesight goes and their reflexes fail them, its likely we'll see a very limited desktop market that supports workplace computing. Phones are already most peoples' only computer anyhow.
  • meacupla - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    You are aware that Crucial (micron) sells the entire product stack right?
    If you want one in your laptop, get a T500 or P3 plus. Problem solved.
  • ballsystemlord - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    I'm not "uncomfortable with a computer I can carry around," I'm a person who needs compute power and storage which are not the design goals of laptops.
  • goatfajitas - Saturday, February 24, 2024 - link

    Kind of makes ya wonder how the PC gaming industry is so huge and growing. Where are they sticking all those rediculously expensive graphics cards I wonder? Must be some sector of fat giant laptops that I am just not aware of.
  • PeachNCream - Sunday, February 25, 2024 - link

    It isn't huge at all and don't mistake GPU profits for a representation of the number of parental dependent adults living in basements spending all their Uber money on video cards. A lot of graphics adapter sales are not in that market segment.
  • goatfajitas - Sunday, February 25, 2024 - link

    right, neither are all the Intel and AMD desktop CPU's LOL. You know how major corporations love to spend time and money on market segments that barely exists.

    I think what is happening here is you guys are mistaking a "shrinking" market with one that barely exists. Yes, desktops are shrinking of course, but by small percentage points... They are still around, still profitable and will be for a long, long time.
  • PeachNCream - Monday, February 26, 2024 - link

    There were numbers posted about the percentage of desktop CPUs sold on Anandtech recently demonstrating the comparable smallness of the desktop market, but hey, lash out and act threatened if you feel compelled to keep the man-child gamer stereotype alive by proving its not at a stereotype.
  • goatfajitas - Tuesday, February 27, 2024 - link

    Lash out? Where did I do that? I was just making light of your assertion that the PC market isnt worth anything. Specifically you say "there are not many desktop PCs still left in the world" - which I find funny. The other thing is you say its not a good idea to make a product that cant be used in a laptop. As if every major player doesnt have a variety of products that work in different thermal scenarios. SSD's are like CPU's and Video cards, they have lower power more efficient versions for mobile and faster stuff with desktops that can better dissipate the heat. But yeah, you know more than every production planning team at all these companies know, you are internet aware! LOL
  • isocuda - Saturday, February 24, 2024 - link

    This is so confidently wrong using wild assumptions that I had to imagine it being said by a pretentious MacBook user.

    Have you used a modern laptop for gaming or anything besides browsing the web??

    Here's a simple explainer: "Developers have a laptop Problem"
    https://youtu.be/bq9O99TgFv4?si=9b3Q6UXECJRzKkZw

    Physics has NOT magically changed, nor will it. Packaging is ALWAYS Size vs Thermals.

    The fact this needs to be explained to you makes me wonder why you commenting on a hardware review in the first place.
  • PeachNCream - Sunday, February 25, 2024 - link

    What's wrong with browsing the web? Didn't you do that to read this article? Are you suddenly a gatekeeper for a dying tech news site that sets the criteria for who can load a URL in their browser for a public website based on how you feel about your (incorrect) guesses about what they do with a computer? Get back under your bridge you silly troll and try again after reflecting on your own thoughts.
  • pdanes - Monday, February 26, 2024 - link

    Where are you living? 'Not many desktops left in the world...' That is too ridiculous to even laugh at.
  • PeachNCream - Monday, February 26, 2024 - link

    Go argue with the website you're reading for it's Feb 6 publication to that effect.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/21255/sales-of-clie...
  • web2dot0 - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    Desktops is a shrinking market 🤷🏻‍♂️

    In the years to come, it will be relegated only to enthusiasts and professionals.

    Sign of the times …
  • meacupla - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    So, let me get this straight
    Are you saying that the T705 is not an enthusiast grade product?
    Or are you saying that it is, but you're disappointed that you can't somehow cram it into your consumer grade laptop?
    Because if it's the latter, there are a ton of fast Gen4 SSDs that don't run as hot.
  • AgentAnon - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    It's a growing market. Most datasets don't capture people buying desktop parts individually.
  • Samus - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    The desktop market has its best year in nearly a decade in 2023, rebounding like 19%. There are two ways to look at this: windows 11 forced adoption of new hardware and businesses decided to cycle their infrastructure all at once (unlikely) or the "writing is in the wall" mentality that PC's are dying and everything is going mobile/cloud/tablet/etc turned out to be the joke it always was. Businesses will always demand productivity from their employees and contractors, and nothing is more productive than a full size keyboard, mouse, a few monitors and a powerful CPU. Add to that PC's continue to be the most economical adoption offering the lowest TCO when considering their 5+ year product life.

    While the gaming market drives the profits in the PC space, business drives the volume.
  • SanX - Saturday, February 24, 2024 - link

    All desktop, laptop and mobile become more useful and capable. Still when i sometimes look at videogames kids are currently playing on desktop i see that it's still very long way till the behavior of game characters reach human-like realism. So power and memory demands will continue to grow. NVIDIA day and night non stop cooking its bricks.
  • AgentAnon - Thursday, February 22, 2024 - link

    Laptops are useless tech. Rarely a situation where a desktop isn't a better investment.
  • PeachNCream - Monday, February 26, 2024 - link

    There are, of course, situations where desktop computers still make sense, but the data do not support the assertion you've made in such a broad, unqualified manner. Sales of mobile parts are far higher and that is driven by their greater suitability as computing platforms than desktops by offering good performance at a reasonable price as shown here:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/21255/sales-of-clie...

    Sure there are childlike pursuits and hobbies that people feel the compulsion to overspend on, but the business and personal consumer computing world has spoken and resoundingly so in favour of laptops and phones as primary computing devices with consoles acting as the electronic entertainment platform for the majority.
  • SanX - Saturday, February 24, 2024 - link

    How come SSD developers mumbling for 2 years that PCIe5 controllers overheat and continue cooking 12-14nm chips ? When you copy often data from the fastest PCIe4 SSDs you can not look at the process without cursing an swearing at these actual rates 1.5GB /s maximum, let alone 7.5 GB/s they all claim
  • goatfajitas - Sunday, February 25, 2024 - link

    im not sure where you get these #'s from, is your source and destination both equally fast?. I have 2 SSD's nowhere near the top of the heap and get double that. A Samsung 980 Pro 512gb that I bought in late 2020 and an Adata 2tb both PCIe 4 , the Adata slightly lower spec'd than the 980 Pro... I get a solid 3 GB/s when coping large files over 50gb from one to another and my stuff is 3 years old and PCIe 4.
  • SanX - Monday, February 26, 2024 - link

    I have several WD Black SN850X and one Sabrient all with peak 7.5GB/s speed. They show that speed only if I use read from them and write to them using my numeric code. Only ones I saw copy file speeds 3GB/ s which eventually dropped to 1.5. All files are very large. Definitely PCIe5 would help to get speeds higher but they don't look like ready for prime time with such overheating. Copy speeds also are far from claimed peak even if in your case you got surprizing numbers. Are Samsung NVMe reliable? I read all these years that it's something always wrong with them (fake rumors?)
  • goatfajitas - Tuesday, February 27, 2024 - link

    Yeah, you arent going to get that speed, but faster is still faster to a point, then you start losing "bang for the buck" . I did notice a decent difference going from a high end PCIe3 SSD to PCIe4 SSD, but not sure the same noticeable difference will show itself on PCIe5 drives.

    Yeah, Samsung SSD are reliable. They make a ton of products some are crap, but their LCD's, memory, flash are all good.
  • AgentAnon - Sunday, May 12, 2024 - link

    Other way around is true. PCIe 4 to PCIe 5 is a bigger jump than PCIe 3 to PCIe 4 in terms of speed (+7GB/s maximum bandwidth as opposed to +3.5GB/s maximum bandwidth). You can even see it with DirectStorage when running it off of a gen 5 SSD RAID 0 array (something Windows 11 recently added support for).
  • AgentAnon - Sunday, May 12, 2024 - link

    With the Phison E26 controller these SSDs are fine with just motherboard heat sinks. They're more than ready for primetime.

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