Skylake CPU Package: Mini-Analysisby Ian Cutress on August 10, 2015 6:00 AM EST
As a short side piece from our in depth review on Intel's 6th Generation Core processors, codename Skylake, the well-known overclocker Splave has posted some very interesting images on the processor itself. We confirmed we are free to use the pictures below from him.
First up is an image of the Skylake i7 silicon die on package. With our trusty interpolation measuring skills, the die area for the GT2 enabled quad core system comes out at 9.05 mm by 13.52 mm, or 122.4 square mm. Let's put this into perspective with other dies:
|CPU Specification Comparison|
|Intel Skylake GT2 4C||14nm||4||GT2||?||122.4mm2|
|Intel Broadwell-H GT3e 4C||14nm||4||GT3e||?||?|
|Intel Haswell-E 8C||22nm||8||N/A||2.6B||356mm2|
|Intel Haswell GT2 4C||22nm||4||GT2||1.4B||177mm2|
|Intel Haswell ULT GT3 2C||22nm||2||GT3||1.3B||181mm2|
|Intel Ivy Bridge-E 6C||22nm||6||N/A||1.86B||257mm2|
|Intel Ivy Bridge 4C||22nm||4||GT2||1.2B||160mm2|
|Intel Sandy Bridge-E 6C||32nm||6||N/A||2.27B||435mm2|
|Intel Sandy Bridge 4C||32nm||4||GT2||995M||216mm2|
|Intel Lynnfield 4C||45nm||4||N/A||774M||296mm2|
|AMD Trinity 4C||32nm||4||7660D||1.303B||246mm2|
|AMD Vishera 8C||32nm||8||N/A||1.2B||315mm2|
This makes Skylake the smallest die size for a quad core desktop processor from Intel we have seen, and that is including the integrated graphics in that calcualtion. Depending on the exact architectural details, previously in Haswell the die area was a near even split for cores and graphics after the L3 cache and IO functions (PCIe, Memory, DMI) were removed.
We won't know exact transistor numbers until they are disclosed at Intel's Developer Forum in mid-August, as well as a false color image die shot to show how much die area the main parts of the architecture are using. Although given the similarity to Haswell in terms of feature set (it seems to be similar with a few minor additions such as fixed function units, slightly different libraries, dual memory channels, DMI 3.0, etc.), if we take the number of transistors that GT2 Haswell had (1.4 billion) and put them in the die area we measure from the image, this comes out to a 11.4 million transistors per mm2.
Die size aside, Skylake also has a substantially thinner package than Devil's Canyon:
According to PCWatch, the package thickness of the Core i7-4770K is 1.1mm, compared to 0.8mm for Skylake. This is a direct result of using fewer PCB layers, and here we count five for Skylake and eight for Haswell.
There could be several reasons for this. The removal of the fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) might reduce the number of PCB layers for power planes. The nature of the 14nm die might facilitate a thinner package as well. The cynical answer is that it is used to drive down cost. In the motherboard industry, a PCB with more layers is substantially more expensive but simplifies design when there are more features - there's also a side argument if more layers or fewer layers is better for overclocking. If we transplant this thinking to the processor, it becomes a balance of cost vs. complexity. Either way, the retail price of the processor is still relatively consistent with the previous iterations. Another thought to add to the mix would be if Intel has plans in the works to launch higher end processors based on Skylake (Kaby Lake?) in the future. The slight change in Intel's processor naming scheme (4770K to 6700K, as in 70K to 00K) also points to the potential move later in the lifetime of the product. The only hint in the naming scheme from Intel is that the 'processor numbering reflects that these processors belong to the 6th Gen Intel Core family'.
The thinness of the package has implications for removing the lid/heatspreader of the processor as well. Splave notes that previous heatspreader methods involving force, such as vices that were common during Haswell's tenure, may not be appropriate due to the thinness of Skylake. Splave shows an image of a failed attempt by another user on a Skylake CPU:
Instead, a razor method (and something warm such as a hairdryer or the bean bags that iFixit uses to warm up glue in smartphones to take them apart) to cut through the black adhesive between the package and the IHS is suggested and it what was used for the CPU above. As there are no FIVR resistors to worry about on the top of the package, the first resistance a razor blade will encounter after the black adhesive is the silicon die itself. All that being said, over at PCWatch they successfully have used a vice method.
Interestingly the heatspreader for Skylake is heavier than that from Haswell by nearly 20%, moving up from 22g to 26g. Given the copper mass that usually sits on a high end processor this should not matter much, although basic aluminium coolers might see a small benefit here by virtue of the minor extra mass. This might also just be that the mounting requirements for Haswell and Skylake are the same, and the extra mass comes from the added z-height required to maintain the mounting as before.
So why are we talking about removing the heatspreader? Back with Haswell (as well as Ivy Bridge to a degree), it was discovered that the thermal interface material between the silicon die and the heatspreader was both an insufficient amount and lower quality than previous generations, as well as the heatspreader being far away from the CPU due to the black adhesive, causing more air bubbles and poorer heat transfer than is optimal. For a stock processor, this difference has little effect to the use of the system, but for overclockers it meant that they were more thermally limited than silicon limited with their overclocking.
Devil's Canyon changed that - here was a better binned Haswell processor with a higher quality package, giving a ten degrees cooler system at load. It is worth noting that previously on certain platforms Intel had been providing a mixed metal interface (generalized as a soldered interface) between the silicon and the heatspreader, which is the best but most expensive option. If the cost of the interface is reduced by 0.1 cents, then that's a significant saving on millions of processors. Devil's Canyon was a small subset of sales, so spending that extra for that specific crowd could be seen as beneficial to Intel's perspective by overclockers.
To paraphrase Splave again, he comments that the thermal paste (TIM)o n his Skylake is certainly worse than that of Devil's Canyon. If the extra mass on the IHS is coming from a taller heatspreader (by virtue of the smaller package substrate), then more TIM is needed otherwise there will be substantial air bubbling of the TIM between the CPU and the heatspreader. By replacing his own thermal paste and resecuring the heatspreader, he saw an 18°C drop in temperatures at his highest air overclock with the old paste (5.1 GHz at 1.48 volts) - from 96ºC that overheated to 78ºC on the warmest core. An 18°C drop is immense. Under those conditions, and based on rough testing not published in our Skylake review, it could equal another 100-400 MHz depending on the quality of the processor. PCWatch confirms that switching out the paste with CoolLaboratory’s Liquid Pro (a liquid metal adhesion interface) reduced temperatures at 4.6 GHz from 88ºC to 68ºC
This throws up some questions - is this just a result of design decisions for cost, or is there a Devil's Canyon type processor coming later in the design cycle?
Source: Overclock.net, PCWatch
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Raniz - Monday, August 10, 2015 - link"Die size aside, Skylake also has a substantially thinner package than Skylake"
The last "Skylake" should probably be Broadwell
Ian Cutress - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkThanks for the catch! It's a comparison to Haswell/Devil's Canyon.
Wardrop - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkYou spend $300 on a processor and they skimp on something that would only cost them a cent? Would it not be better to simply up the cost of the processor to... I don't know, $300.01? Seriously. If you want to save a cent, fine, but do it on something that doesn't affect your user base to such a degree. Come on AMD, please get competitive again...
Raniz - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkYeah, it seems a bit weird to gimp the OC potential of these just to save on the thermal paste.
On the other hand - it may very well be that there's a special overclocker's edition on the horizon with more carefully selected units and a better heatspreader/paste...
Impulses - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkThe K SKU's are supposed to be the special overclocker's edition tho... Coming out with a Devil's Lake a year later is still a cash grab at best. Won't stop me from buying a 6700K next week, I'm fine with 4.6-4.7, but it's mildly insulting nonetheless if that's how it pans out.
ShieTar - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkActually, you don't know if it would cost them a cent. The pure material cost may be about that, but there are other questions to be considered:
1. Whats the overall process time for the two methods? Do you need to leave one solution lying around for an hour before the CPU can go to the next process step, while the simpler solution can just continue without delay? Does the application process of the paste itself take much longer for the better solution?
2. Are there any impacts on the work environment? Is the better paste / soldering creating fumes that need to be removed and filtered by a more costly ventilation system?
3. What are the failure rates of paste application? Will the application of the better paste with the existing machines destroy a few CPUs?
Overall, I think (I hope?) that the lower material cost of the paste is the least likely reason for the chosen design.
Of course, the justification may not be technical at all. Maybe Intel once again just wants to sell you an optimized overclocking solution next year.
Gigaplex - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkLongevity of the TIM is something else Intel needs to worry about. It's all good and well to delid a CPU and use high performance compound that needs reapplication every other year, but out-of-the-box they need to last 5-10 years minimum.
Arnulf - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkAll of these can be represented dollars. Add this amount to the CPU price , apply your standard profit margin and hey presto, much better CPU at higher price that people are willing to buy!
Beaver M. - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkSo let it be $5. Or $10. Or $20. You seriously think people wouldnt pay that extra on K, S or T CPUs where its NEEDED? Please... They are paying strangers on forums to delid their CPUs $20 to $40. Why wouldnt they pay that to Intel to get it stock?
ImSpartacus - Monday, August 10, 2015 - linkI remember last time with Devil's Canyon, they weren't able to replicate the processes that resulted in enthusiast-friendly pre-Haswell chips. They had to emulate those techniques with something new that performed close enough.
So it wasn't just about spending that extra penny. There are other costs such as additional equipment and materials (and training) that wouldn't normally be necessary.
That said, Intel overcame those limitations with Devil's Canyon and produced a satisfactory part. They probably could do it again.